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The elusive guru triggers
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‚Oh man, he’s gone again.‘
‚I came out and needed to change.‘
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You stayed in Poona until about 1988?
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In Poona? No, in Poona first until 1981, about August. Then I went back to do the social work.
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’83 in the beginning I was finished, went to the ranch in … Oregon.
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So, almost all of ’83, ’84 and ’85 until November, I was there when that community was dismantled.
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And then I left and went back to Germany and then back again to India.
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If we go into the year 1988, if that is okay, that was the time, by the way,
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Ben Johnson at the Olympics in Seoul, Korea, was blowing the lid off the drug abuse, the doping scandal.
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It’s the birth hour of the internet. Burma or Myanmar had its uprising.
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Tracy Chapman released ‚Fast car‘ and the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan. That was 1988.
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You are back in Poona and tell me about meeting Chetna at the ashram for the first time. You met her there.
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And also, that was the time you were partially bodyguard of Osho’s also?
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And if you have seen the movie ‚Wild, Wild Country‘ – have you seen it?
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If you have seen that, you associated, or I associated ‚bodyguard‘ instantly with somebody who was carrying guns, quite violently.
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So, tell us about this time and then the end of … when Bhagwan died in 1990. So, takes us up to that time.
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Okay, so, in 1985, November or so, Osho got deported from the US.
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At the time I had an American girlfriend, Lino, who was from Oregon.
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Both of us knew that something was cooking.
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Both of us knew that something was wrong. So, we had prepared our getaway a few months before it actually happened.
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We had talked to her parents if we could come and stay there.
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Before Osho was expelled from the US.
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Before he was expelled. We knew something was cooking.
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Lino actually had asked me many times to leave before.
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And I said to her, ‚You know, I don’t know how long we will have him in the physical body.
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I want to spend as much time with him as possible.
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Let’s endure the difficult situations, circumstances and then leave when it’s time to leave. But we prepare it.‘
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So, November, about a week after he was deported from the US, we went back to her parents first in Oregon.
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Then went to New York to stay with her sister for Lino to get her passport there in New York.
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Because we were worried that if we did it close to the ranch, she would get into trouble.
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And then we went to Germany, stayed there for a while. I drove a cab, a taxi, to make money.
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And a few months later, Osho went to Nepal.
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And I had never been to Nepal. So we went to see him there, spent a few weeks there with him.
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Then he left again and he went on this tour of lots of countries, most of …
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You know, if you say, you went to see and stayed with Osho, to the layperson,
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that sounds as if you were living in the same apartment with him and that you met him daily. But presumably that wasn’t quite like that.
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No, it wasn’t quite like that. He stayed at a big hotel in Kathmandu and gave lectures in one of the conference rooms.
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So we went there. But we stayed in a … we rented a cheap hotel somewhere and just came for the lectures.
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And all that. Okay.
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So, back one day in Kathmandu, there’s a queue. I’m standing in the queue and I say to the guy who’s organizing it,
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‚My girlfriend has a cold, she can’t come today. I have one too many tickets. I want to return it for Osho’s lecture.‘
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He looks at me and he says, ‚No, you have two too many tickets.‘ I’m like, ‚What do you mean?‘ He said, ‚He’s gone.‘
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I’m like, ‚Oh man, again.‘ So he left Nepal.
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He went, I think, to Crete, where he had lots of trouble again because he was talking in public about the Orthodox Church.
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(groans)
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And the Archbishop of Crete said, ‚If the police doesn’t take him away, we’re going to dynamite his house.‘
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That’s how he upset people. That was his tool. Upsetting people. He liked that. That was his strategy to get you to think to…
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Trigger people.
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Yeah, to trigger, to get you to look at yourself, what am I doing …
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Anyway. So, he was in Crete. I didn’t go there. We had run out of money and the next time we saw him in 1988 in Poona
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when he had come back to the original Ashram that we had lived in in the 70s and 80s.
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I went with my American girlfriend and after a few months there we separated.
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Then I met one of my future wife’s girlfriends who I was crazily in love with but it didn’t work out.
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One of her friends, Chetna, was consoling me …
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because of my unhappy love story.
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Chetna being Japanese?
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Yes, she was consoling me.
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She had also just broken up with her boyfriend at the time and before we knew it we ended up together
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and sometime later we got married and moved to Japan.
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First we went to Germany together. She didn’t really enjoy Germany.
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She said, ‚Even the dogs have a face like this.‘
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(laughter)
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She had a really good sense of humour.
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She said, ‚Why don’t we go to Japan and start a language school?‘
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But first we went to the US. We stayed for a year there. I worked in landscaping.
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I worked at Bill Gates‘ house with a friend who was building his garden,
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And …
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That was, as you said earlier, that was the time when I stopped my gardening career at the ashram.
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But not in 1988. We met, let’s go back. I met with Chetna in 1988, we went to Germany for a while,
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and then we came back again to Poona in 1989. And then at the time Osho made a … No, no, I have to go back, wait.
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We go back now, forget what I said, the last few sentences.
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So, I met Chetna in 1988 at the ashram, broke up with my former girlfriend Lino.
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And at the time Osho had some new inspiration.
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With him you never knew what was coming.
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And he said, ‚I have created …‘ something that he called ‚meditative therapies‘.
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One of which was called the ‚mystic rose process‘, or meditation.
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And the mystic rose meditation process was to be completed by all the people who worked in the ashram.
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I was one of them, gardening, growing roses for him at the time. And the mystic rose process was like this:
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for one week, from 6 to 9 in the morning for 3 hours you laugh. You just sit there and laugh. You sit there and you go:
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(laughter)
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So, for me it was easy. You see I can still do it, it’s not fake. I really laugh.
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So that. You had to do it for a week.
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After about 5 days you had it up to here. You didn’t want to laugh anymore. You wanted to cry.
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And that was the next week. For 3 hours, from 6 to 9 in the morning you had to cry.
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And then the third week from 6 to 9 in the morning you had to just sit quietly and meditate.
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That was the process. Nobody I ever met came out the same way out of that process the way they went in.
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And after I came out I thought I need a change from the gardening. I never considered it before. I loved the gardening.
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I thought I wanted to do something else.
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I just want to… I don’t know. One of my friends was the coordinator of the guards of the ashram.
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He said, ‚Why don’t you come and sit at the main gate? And have guarding.‘
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At the time in Poona, ‚guarding‘ meant you were sitting there just like you are.
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With no training or anything. Just checking if the people who came into the ashram
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– and there were maybe 4 or 5 thousand people who were living in the vicinity coming and going –
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if they had a pass.
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After that mystic rose process I had the feeling that I need to change from gardening.
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I never considered that before because I love gardening. And I still do.
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I have a quite big vegetable garden now. And organic olive.
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Olive trees. And we were the beneficiaries of your oil. Thank you very much.
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So I still love it. But I thought that I needed a change. I want to do something else.
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I never was into construction which was always needed. I don’t know how to do it well.
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So I met a friend. A German friend who was the coordinator of the guards at the time.
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Whereas in Oregon we had armed guards because there were lots of threats against us,
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in Poona it was just you or me just sitting in a chair by the gate and checking all the people who were coming in
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whether they had a pass which they showed you like this or they were wearing, or with a needle they had it pinned to their clothes,
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whether they had paid the entrance fee. And whether the face that was on the head and the face on the card were the same.
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And if they were not banned from the ashram.
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Because there were people who had been caught with drugs, people who had been caught stealing.
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With violence or something. We had like a black book. And they couldn’t come in.
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So, I was just sitting there. All day. Just doing meditation. I was keeping my eyes open watching the people come and go,
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checking their … if they are okay, if they were not I’d say, ‚Hey you must go renew your pass‘.
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Sometimes I enjoyed it quite a lot.
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And at the time, there were also lots of kids. Different ages.
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One day, I heard that there was a new regulation. That from now on, kids cannot come in anymore. And I was thinking,
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‚What the hell are they going to do?‘ You know what?
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Because there weren’t really … good facilities outside.
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There were some irresponsible parents too.
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So. I remember sitting there. These kids come in. They say, ‚Hi Arjava.‘ ‚Hi.‘
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And then one of the ashram bosses comes out, fuming.
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‚There were children that came into the ashram! Did you let them in?‘
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I said, ‚Of course, I let them in. Would you rather have them be out on the streets on their own?
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Little kids like that, what are they going to do?‘
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‚Oh, you can’t do this job! You’re fired!‘ Fired, my god.
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Happily, I stick to my truth. So I just got up, I left.
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I didn’t even make it out to the ashram, I run into the same friend who had been the coordinator of the guards previously,
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who meanwhile changed his job. And he said,
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‚Hey, I heard you got kicked out. What … You know, we need somebody to sit in front of Osho’s door. Can you come?‘
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I’m like, ‚Yeah, when?‘ He said, ‚Well, how about now?‘
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So, from being fired at the main gate I went straight into Osho’s compound.
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And then went sitting sometimes in front of his door, in front of his window, at the gate to his house.
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So that’s the bodyguard job.
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That was the bodyguard job. And we were also supposedly guarding him during the discourses.
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We had to keep our eyes open and make sure nothing fishy was happening.
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But the funny thing was that many of the people who were doing that, me included, had no, let’s say, martial arts training.
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There were many people who did, but I didn’t.
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And many of them were very, very peaceful, soft people like me. I never hit anybody, you know.
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And I had no idea what I would do in a dangerous situation. I’m not prepared for that.
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Sitting close to him was a psychedelic experience.
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You cannot imagine.
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I mean, you were seeing things that were not there.
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Because his presence had such an impact?
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His presence is overpowering! I have never felt anything like that before or after.
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Incredible.
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So, Osho, still to this day, is your guru?
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Absolutely.
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I’ve seen a few others in between who had a similar, very overpowering energy. The Dalai Lama I’ve seen a few times – close by.
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Krishnamurti, Jiddu Krishnamurti, I’ve seen a couple of times. Incredible!
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Transcript: René Vögtli
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06:55 Chetna: first meeting and idea of language school. Chetna will play an important – albeit reluctant – role in the exploration of Reiki’s history.