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Painful truth and integrity
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‚…there’s a problem …‘
‚Here we have a proper lineage.‘
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About …
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the ‚Reiki Fire‘ came out in the spring of ’97.
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A few months after it was out, I got a phone call from my old friend, Ageh Popat, who was also friends with Raj.
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Actually, they were friends from the ’70s in India.
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He said, ‚Arjava, I have to tell you something.‘
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‚I went out for a beer with your brother yesterday, and maybe he had one too many.
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And he said to me that he made up the attunement process, that he never learned it.
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He learned Reiki 1 and 2 and maybe 3A, the Master symbol but the attunement, he said, he made it up.‘
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And Ageh said, ‚I can’t live like that. I can’t do this. I’m teaching people. I’m responsible. I…‘
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That’s why his lineage always ended with him.
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‚I can’t do this with my students. I don’t feel comfortable.‘
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So, Ageh said, ‚I made a date … not a ‚date‘, an appointment with Peter Gilgen and his wife, Miranda in Switzerland somewhere.
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So, Ageh also learned from Raj?
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Yeah. He taught many of his old friends. He did the same thing that he said to me, he said to Ageh and to two other friends that I know.
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I’m not interested in the name as such, but who then did Raj do… Again, it’s not a question of who was the person.
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Who did he do Reiki 1 and 2 with? Did he get it properly… Did Raj got it proper training? Was he properly initiated?
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For 1 and 2, yes.
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Okay. And you know that lineage?
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Yeah, yeah.
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From somebody … one of the Osho people from Hamburg or something.
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Okay. Sorry for just clarifying …
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No, no problem. I can look that up too. I think I still have the lineage. But that was apparently only Reiki 1 and 2.
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So, Ageh now says, ‚I have a problem.‘
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He says, ‚I have a problem …‘
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Because he has been teaching students …?
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‚I’ve been teaching students what he had learned from Raj. And Raj says to him…‘
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And he taught the first, second and third degree.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Like me.
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Like you.
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Yeah. And … Okay, carry on then.
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So, he says, ‚I can’t live …‘ Ageh says, ‚I can’t live with that, because for my students. I have to be honest. And I want to teach them
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the right thing. I don’t want to teach them something that my friend has … channelled.‘
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Imagined.
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So, he made an appointment here in Switzerland to do the teacher’s training with these guys who were, at the time,
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members of the Reiki Alliance.
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And then when he came back, he called me and said, ‚Arjava, come quickly. It’s all different from what we have learned. The initiation
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process, it’s all different. Come and re-learn with me.‘
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So, I flew to Germany to do the teacher’s training again with Ageh. I just looked at my certificates, January 7th or 9th or something of ’98.
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So, before my second book came out.
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So, you’re…
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After the ‚Reiki Fire‘.
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Yes. I got that. So, your Reiki lineage, therefore, is a new lineage going through your friend Ageh?
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From ’98.
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From ’98. Okay.
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From ’98. And your question was, ‚What did you do? How did you deal with that in Japan?‘
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And how did …?
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I called my students and I said, ‚There’s a problem with my brother’s Reiki lineage. We don’t really know …‘
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Because everybody who had asked him had received a different answer.
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So Ageh said, ‚He made it up.‘
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To somebody else, he said this. To somebody else, he said that. Then he published a book where he says
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that he learned from somebody called Serge Goldberg and I am convinced that person does not exist.
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Everybody had a different story. To some people, he said he learned from Mary McFadyen.
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And she sent a letter to her lawyer saying that, ‚If I hear that one more time, I’m going to take him to court because I don’t know you.‘
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And you were never able to clear this with your brother?
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No.
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No, he just yelled at me. ‚You think that’s important?‘ (hanging up sound)
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I didn’t talk to him for many, many years.
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So I called my students and I said, ‚Look, there’s a problem with the lineage.
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I went to have myself re-initiated into the new teachers‘ training. And I’m happy to teach you.
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We will charge you very little, just for the three days. If you want to come, come. We will charge you …‘
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I don’t know … 100 Dollars a day or something, just to cover the cost.
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That’s how we did it, but not everybody came.
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Not all the people who had learned.
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And some of those who did not come back and get re-initiated by you …?
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They continued.
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They continued teaching?
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Teaching what they had learned from me the first time. Now, the problem is I never got to the bottom of that. I don’t know.
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What do you mean? I don’t understand … You didn’t get to the bottom of it?
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We couldn’t figure out where did he learn.
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Okay. Well, I sympathize with him, with your brother Martin, at the point where he says,
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‚Does it really matter? The main thing is people have … and are happy.‘ But I don’t want to go down that rabbit hole of that conversation.
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I’m actually more interested in an entirely different angle: What happened now to your Reiki students? And I understand you’re saying,
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I called them up, I offered them for no cost really as a service, so to speak, to be re-initiated. So that they
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– that’s a responsible thing to do – so they would have a proper lineage.
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Yes, I said to them that, ‚Here we have a proper lineage. And I suggested you do it because it’s quite different.‘
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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli
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