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Life is Good
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‚Pain is a great revealer of truth.‘
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Actually, instead of romantic, I used the word optimistic in my own thinking just now as I was listening to you.
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You know, when I said, ‚Well, maybe not yet‘, that’s basically … it nurtured that comment with an optimistic, looking forward kind of attitude.
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That’s an interesting topic because in today’s world, 2025, looking around with what’s happening out there, and myself now being 71 years old,
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I honestly find it more and more difficult to keep my inbred typical characteristic, which I would describe as a deep-rooted fundamental optimism,
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which I consider the only way to live my life by.
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To the point that I don’t allow myself pessimism in the sense of that I consider that equivalent to cowardice.
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I feel it takes courage to be an optimist.
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I see you nod. Please, please let me have your thoughts.
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I feel the same. So, for me, the basic … What do we call it in German?
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I’m not sure. I’m Swiss.
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How do we call it in Swiss-German then?
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The basic trust in the benevolence of existence.
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I have that. I’ve had that since I was a child.
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And I’ve been trying to help my, or intending to help my kids to have that too, to feel protected.
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And that whatever happens, it’s okay. It’s good. Existence is good.
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I believe that. And it’s all good. I have no complaints.
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So, in this way, I totally agree with what you say. I’m optimistic.
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I look forward to things unfolding in a new way.
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So, this is all good. But what I got tired of in the last 15 years is that
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somehow, really, like I said, sitting in between two chairs.
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It’s just not comfortable. With one cheek on one side and one cheek on the other.
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It’s always a little bit shaky and you’re neither really there nor really there.
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I’m trying to understand that a little better.
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It would help me if I could have an example of that tearing you apart, between the two.
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What’s the cause of that?
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So, Japanese culture is very different from our Western culture.
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I had said earlier that I really like the traditional teaching because of my personal history.
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Because I spent so much time in the East with a Japanese partner or in the past with Japanese partners.
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Then I have this many years of meditative practice with Osho, which is also Eastern.
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So, I feel very comfortable with that. I don’t think it’s better than what we have in the West. It’s different.
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I’ve been trying to help Western people understand the Japanese way
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and trying to help Japanese people to understand the Western way.
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So, that was my position to make sure or at least to have the intention
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that these people, the two, can communicate more effectively together.
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And that has turned out to be very, very difficult.
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Because they just don’t understand each other and I’m sitting in between.
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And the consequence of this realization has led to your resignation?
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Yes. I can’t do it anymore.
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It feels very similar to when you this morning said to me,
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and you knew that I’m going to speak about the fighting which has been going on over your book.
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Yeah, yeah. It’s kind of similar.
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You said then, ‚I can’t do it anymore. I’ve got enough.‘ Just now, as you spoke, I had the same sense.
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Yeah, yeah. I can’t do it anymore. I don’t want to fight anymore.
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I don’t want to have to make an effort all the time to bring people together and to …
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What’s the right word? To …
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…
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help people understand each other.
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I’m tired of it.
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What’s going to happen to your students who have learned Jikiden from you and …
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I’m here. I’m not planning to go anywhere.
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So if they want support from me, they have all the support they can get.
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Is it correct to say they have you with all your support but without the label Jikiden?
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Yeah, I guess that’s how it’s going to go. But I don’t know yet. We’ll see how it develops.
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Yeah.
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But I’m not, you know, I’m not a position or a label. I’m a person.
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Now …
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You know what I mean? I’m a person and somebody whom, let’s say, somebody whom I’ve been
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guiding or helping along their development in Reiki, of course I’m here for them. This is my job.
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I’m not going to not do my job.
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But I won’t be doing it like I used to do it. It will have to be a little bit different from now on.
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That you don’t know at this point in time, early January 25, how that is going to turn out, that’s more than understandable.
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We’ll see.
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You have in your personal life experienced when this merger or this fusion between East and West
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didn’t work out, that the aftermath had also created some pain.
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Probably on both sides, it’s probably fair to say as it most of the time does when two people separate and so on.
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Yeah.
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How optimistic, if that’s the right term, are you with respect to this particular separation?
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Very optimistic.
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Because I know that pain is a great revealer of truth.
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So even if pain happens, I welcome it.
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Whatever it takes, we are here to learn. We are here to …
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We said it earlier, if we had learned our lessons, we wouldn’t be here. So we are here to learn.
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And maybe we can learn as much as possible. So next time when we reincarnate here would be a little bit less.
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As far as I’m concerned, I don’t want to be reincarnated. Do you?
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No. Me? Of course, any time, especially if I can meet my wife again.
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Me, I know many people say, ‚Oh, this is my last life or it would be nice to be …‘ I don’t want to finish this. This is so much fun.
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I’ll be right … like Arnold Schwarzenegger, you know? ‚I’ll be back.‘
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I’m in no rush. Not at all. I love it here. I really enjoy it. Okay, all the struggles and …
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It’s never boring. It’s always … We always have some project, some fun, some excitement, something changing. Nothing is ever boring.
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So, I enjoy that. A lot. And I know that any kind of separation obviously …
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has the potential of conflict, of pain, of people getting hurt. And there are many people who will get upset or hurt or whatever,
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happy, ‚Finally we got rid of that guy!‘ Or other people will be sad to see me go or …
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… This is what it is. So I’m looking forward to the … Not challenge, I don’t mean that, but to …
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to…
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handle that as appropriately as I can.
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