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In the Same Boat, Yet Drifting Apart?!
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‚We are a small cell of that huge being.‘
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I could ask one or two more questions, but we can also wrap it up here.
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I’m pretty much content with the list of questions I have.
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I’m not paranoid, that’s one of the things I sometimes fight against when I have work like this.
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I’m paranoid, do I get through everything in time?
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I have a very good, content feeling that tomorrow or …
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We do a little bit of work later today when we look at the Bert Hellinger video and look a little bit more at your stuff.
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You know, one of the things I’ve learned many years ago, looking at my desk – and I saw your desk, your desk is like my desk – you can never
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finish the work that’s on your desk. It’s impossible.
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And it’s good that you can’t.
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So you have something for tomorrow. And in a project like this we can never finish.
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But we don’t want to finish it. It’s okay.
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We do what we can and then we leave room for further development. So I’m not worried. I think we covered a lot of area.
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Yeah, I think so too.
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Very nice.
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Maybe tomorrow we will see that we can do some more philosophical things, you know.
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Maybe we can talk about some problematic subjects that people always ask about.
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Like how do you deal with this? Can you do distant Reiki for somebody who hasn’t asked you to?
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I mean the questions that people always have. Something like that.
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To look at it from different perspectives. Because again, really, what we do is this.
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We’re talking about the same thing. One maybe looks from here, one looks from there … But we’re looking at the same thing.
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So easy to get stuck in …
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Yeah, I agree. And yes, let’s look at some of these things.
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All of ‚these things‘, all the topics of our discussions, they to me should be a contribution to the reconciliation within the Reiki community.
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And with that I mean that we create mutual understanding, mutual respect, mutual tolerance for each other.
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Even in the diversity we live in, in the diverse, in the different kind of … I like the analogy of Reiki is like a very precious gemstone.
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And it has many different facets, which each has a beautiful colour, even if it’s of a different colour than its neighbour.
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So I like to cherish that picture. And I’d like us to also tomorrow when we continue to have our topics within the framework or
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the spirit and philosophy of making contributions for mutual understanding and therefore for the reconciliation process.
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I see that … I really noticed that clearly when I was in the States before Trump was elected for the first time,
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how this guy who to me is not a person but is a symptom of something.
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Trump?
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Yeah, a symptom of society.
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That he was a … ‚he‘ …
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that symptom was able to push people into camps … fighting each other tooth and nail.
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Quite incredible.
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And then I noticed that was going on everywhere in all aspects of society.
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Then came Corona. You had people breaking up their partnerships, their families, because ‚I am for … You are against …‘.
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And I am sitting there and I am thinking, ‚How is it possible that we allow to be pushed apart like that, when really
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we are all sitting in the same boat? How is it possible? How dumb are we to allow that?
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So, this is the work.
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How dumb and how helpless we are. I am not even sure about the dumb but when I, for example, when I rose the subject
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of the Unconditional Basic Income with you in RTalk we had …
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Recently somebody said in this very context,
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‚It’s amazing how the majority of the people who would benefit the most from it were voting against it‘.
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They don’t want it.
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They don’t want it. And … with reference to this, and I am glad you put Trump not into a person … we don’t need an enemy to have a face.
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But we have to recognize that it is symptomatic for a development which, apparently, society needs. And in that sense, like earlier on
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you said, crisis and illnesses can also be a blessing in disguise.
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Otherwise it doesn’t come up.
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Otherwise it wouldn’t happen.
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Obvious! We need that and there’s something we have a chance to look at.
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And it’s important to look at it because if we look at it, we can do something about it.
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Fear … fear is obviously one of the factors which plays a role in this, in this splitting, in this, ‚I’m right, you’re wrong.‘
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For sure, yeah!
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And you raised the question, I can’t get it, I can’t wrap my head around why does this happen? And we used the example of the particular
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symptom in America, this division between the Democrats and the Republicans but you see it everywhere in Europe and everywhere else.
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Everywhere is the same!
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Do you have an answer?
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No.
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No, I don’t.
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Do you have a remedy?
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Yeah.
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Sit.
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Meditate.
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Understand yourself.
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When you understand yourself or really when you understand the non-existence of yourself, then that stops.
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Then there is no enemy. What kind of enemy are we talking about?
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Another human, an enemy? Are you kidding me?
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We talked about it last time we discussed something … about this image of the orange, when you see an orange.
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It’s made of the peel and then that little white membrane around it and then the fruit flesh and the seeds inside.
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Would you ever consider some of it not being one?
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You wouldn’t.
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Humanity cosmos is one.
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It’s not a philosophy, it’s a physical fact. If you float up and at some point see the curvature of the earth, what do you see?
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You see … separate identity of somebody? No, you see one big … celestial being.
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A beautiful celestial being.
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And we are a small cell of that huge being. So it’s really not a philosophy that all is one and we are one with the universe.
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If you had the chance to look at the universe from – I don’t know what to call it, I don’t know enough – from another universe or another ….
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galaxy or from another realm or something, what do you see? You see one beautiful, beautiful immensity.
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But how could you think of that as not being one?
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Many of the astronauts, particularly of the early ones who have gone to the moon, they’ve actually come back talking about spiritual
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experiences, watching planet earth and understanding how little division there is. That there is unity.
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Our cameraman actually surprises me very often as a young man in conversations.
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One day I sensed that he – I don’t know where from, from a scientific point of view, from quantum physics or physics –
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how he – I can’t remember what he said – but he was clearly conscious of the interrelationship between everything that exists,
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between every particle or wavelength. So what you just described and you made an effort of saying is not just a spiritual concept,
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It’s actually a matter of fact and a description of law. That’s a very scientific way of looking at life.
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It’s just what it is.
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It’s not a philosophy to me. It’s just … it’s obvious.
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Good.
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Thank you very much.
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One of the things I haven’t told you is that Bert, for example, when I asked him to …
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if he could do the consolation to look at that, because I was so concerned.
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I had really, truly the desire to bring the people together from the beginning. That’s why I’m so surprised
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when I hear that people are saying, ‚Oh, troublemaking, you want to make money, you want to be rich, you want to be …‘ I’m like, ‚Huh!?‘
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Zero!
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And I was so concerned that I’m intending to bring the people together and instead they’re falling … they’re growing apart more.
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This is really the opposite of what I wanted.
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When I said to him, ‚Can we take a look? I want to see the dynamic.‘
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He said, ‚Yeah, you know, I also have Reiki.‘
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Oh, really?
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He told me that he had done a Reiki 1 course because he said, ‚Because, when I do the constellations, I touch people. So I wanted to have Reiki.‘
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And then I said, ‚Oh, really? I didn’t know.‘ Like you.
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And I said, ‚What happened? You never thought of continuing your education there?‘
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He said, ‚No, you know, what I didn’t like was the connection of spirituality and big amounts of money‘.
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He said, ‚That’s a very bad mixture.‘
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And I think one of the problems that we have in the international Reiki family is because of that. It’s actually money.
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I’m not saying you shouldn’t charge for your teaching. If I wouldn’t charge for my teaching, I would be very, very skinny.
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I live from it. I have to charge.
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Yeah.
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But there is something about …
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Well, I’m intrigued by what you just said about Bert Hellinger.
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Because the person I mentioned, Peter Koenig, who is also a friend of Hellinger’s and of me …
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I got to know Peter in a non-Reiki context. He is actually a money expert also. And he too … was initiated to Reiki.
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And similarly, I said, ‚Oh, really?‘ I was all surprised about it.
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So …
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Just one thing you said a moment ago, your effort to bring people together and then observing that the opposite often happened,
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I’d like to emphasize the ‚often‘ and I’d like to emphasize ’not only‘.
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Because of those efforts, there were many – and I would like to think myself of being one of the people
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who were triggered into self-reflection and consciousness to understand, that’s not the way to go about it.
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We want remedies for symptoms like we just described.
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Of course, of course. No, I see that!
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So, in the beginning, it seemed like it created more rift.
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So, at first, I was really shocked. I was like, ‚What?!?‘
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But now, looking back, I see that it went like, ‚Doong!‘ (explosion) and … (bringing hands together).
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Yeah.
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So, maybe it was just a reaction.
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