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A51 Free Will and Karma Celebrating Uniqueness
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‚Free will is tricky. Inside of you, there is millions of years of evolution present.‘
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I was intrigued when you said,
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‚Rules are one thing but freedom is an important concept in my life, and they sometimes don’t gel with each other.‘
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And yet then you went, ‚But there are certain things that I’m very clear and strict about.‘
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Like your ethical… Your take in relationship to Reiju, or initiation.
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Is that where you don’t have free will?
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Okay, free will.
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You follow my thought? You’re a prisoner of your dedication to the beauty of Reiju, how you treasure it.
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And I don’t question that at all. I admire it quite the contrary.
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But my question is, that also then creates limitations. That’s then a prison.
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It depends. It depends.
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The prison begins in the moment that you think that you are in it.
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But if you’re not in it, you’re free.
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Like, for example, in the relationship with my wife,
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I don’t mess around with other ladies.
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So, some people could say, that’s a limitation.
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Of course, it’s a limitation, yes.
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But other people may say, marriage is like a jail. You’re in jail with your wife.
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And I’m like, this is the right person to be in jail with.
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The one I want. So I don’t feel limited by being with her at all.
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I’m completely free.
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And in your question about the Reijus, the same. It’s limiting maybe outwardly limiting, but within it I feel completely free.
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I am free as the wind. Beautiful. I love that.
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I had a teacher who was an English gentleman who was in the Tibet in the 40s, 50s actually, an old gentleman.
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He was exploring the Himalayans and …
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He told me about the practice of monks, which actually are in cells by choice.
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There’s food coming in and there is excrements going out. But there’s nothing else but walls around them.
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For years and years and years.
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It’s of course exemplifying that such a person is completely free.
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The spirit has no borders, no limits. Completely free.
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You can be in jail like those guys.
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Free will is an interesting concept.
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Of course that’s very Western.
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And I’m … because I’ve spent so many years in the East, I’m …. I’ve been indoctrinated. I have changed.
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So …
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let’s look at the Japanese or Asian concept of reincarnation.
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People believe that you are born, you die, you’re born again.
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And that goes on in Buddhism thousands of times.
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In Shinto, they have it worked out exactly 180 times and some of them are parallel,
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parallel lives. It’s very complicated, amazing!
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So anyway, they all believe that you keep coming back.
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Of course you are not, you René, as you are here.
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We always think that I was … I lived before and I was the emperor of China, but I looked like René.
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I’m just kidding.
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So they believe we have three bodies. The first and the core body is the soul.
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That’s the thing that is immortal that reincarnates again and again.
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Then you have the physical body. When that physical body dies, it will never, ever come back in this shape.
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It’s unique.
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And then you have your etheric bodies or your heart-mind bodies, your mind, your personality, your aura.
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And that in Japanese is called Rei-i. And Rei-i means your spiritual clothes.
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Very nice.
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Very nice.
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Spiritual clothes. And those spiritual clothes do have to be shed. You have to take them off.
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And they disintegrate in Buddhism 49 days after the heart has stopped and then she into 50 days after the heart has stopped.
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They are more or less the same time in Orthodox Christianity, in Islam is 40 days. It’s all the same.
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A few days, more or less.
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So …
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They never … They too, never come back in that same way. They are unique. As you are, you are absolutely unique.
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This alone is an incredible statement: You are unique! Wow!
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Each of us.
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Celebrate that.
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Wow.
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So, in all those lives you have experienced everything that you can possibly think of and more.
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You’ve been a good boy.
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You’ve been a bad boy.
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You’ve been a good girl. You’ve been a bad girl.
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You’ve been somewhere in between, very politically correct.
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Whatever exists, you have it. Inside.
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You have had such an incredible amount of experience in your life,
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in your tens or hundreds or thousands of lives that you’ve had until now.
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And every time that you are reincarnated,
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all of what you have experienced in the past lives is moved into the hard drive for the next.
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So that means inside of you, there is millions of years of evolution present.
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But as a safety precaution that is made unconscious, not exactly immediately at birth because not necessary because the child
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doesn’t get bothered by knowledge that is still there.
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But as the child develops that individual self, that personality that we battle with,
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it’s not helpful to remember that you were somebody else in the past because you would get confused
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and you would look at people … I would look at you and go like, ‚Now who is this guy? Is this René
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or is this my mother-in-law from three lives ago or my cousin’s brother from 48 lives ago or was it my boss from 1748?‘
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So you get really confused.
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Anyway, we have all these wells of information and it is moved into the unconscious
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so not to bother me, not to disturb me, otherwise I would go nuts.
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And so I don’t have to remember everything.
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If I would remember all of my past lives with all the pain, all the hurt, all the trauma, all the pleasures … phew … I couldn’t live.
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I wouldn’t have time to live. I would be so busy accessing and processing all that stuff.
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So …
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The question of free will is tricky in this respect because why do you not put your hand on the stove?
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You’re not putting it on the stove because of your past experience. There is no free will.
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When I say, ‚I decide not to put my hand on the stove,‘ you don’t do it because you have burned yourself in the past.
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It’s not free will at all.
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Look at your wedding, your wedding, your marriage, you’re getting together with your wife.
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Did you have a choice? What said free will?
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I don’t think so. You couldn’t say no.
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Yet, she couldn’t say no!
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She couldn’t say no.
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You both couldn’t say no.
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Look at all the important things in your life. You think you chose them? I don’t think so.
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So, the past trauma and the past pleasure and the past in between those two, it makes us do what we do now.
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And we’re not aware of this. This is one of the problems. In therapy you see it all the time.
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You see, there’s this guy, he marries the same woman over and over again.
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And you’re going like, ‚Oh my God, why is he doing that? She hasn’t learned your lesson yet. Why is he doing it?‘
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Because something from the past is pushing us. No free will.
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This is really a bad day for free will. I don’t believe in it at all.
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The free will happens when the mind – and mind in Japanese philosophies is these two: heart-mind –
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when the heart-mind is in the present, the ’nen.‘
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That’s important! It’s not just the intellectual mind.
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No, it’s both.
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We think, feel, and that happens from here.
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When you can manage to arrest the mind, so the mental and emotional processes, and
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we can arrest them in the present moment, then you’re good.
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Interesting thought, interesting way to look at it.
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As you spoke, I reflect and I thought, ‚Of course, I took conscious decisions in my past.‘
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And then I had to admit that most conscious decisions where I would think that I had free will
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were often related to bad decisions, whereas the best decisions in my life, they just happened.
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And there was no actual mental reflection on it.
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It just occurred. And I surrendered to whatever that situation was, to the flow of life, one might say.
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And those turned out to be my very best decisions.
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When that ‚yes‘ is there, yeah. Suddenly there’s this ‚yes!‘
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And it’s very natural. It’s very self-understood. It’s almost a matter of course.
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And that may be an indication that many of us would have to rethink our own concepts of free will.
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I think so, but also keeping in mind that …
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When I say that a lot of our actions, a lot of our movements are created by past momentum, it’s not all bad.
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No!
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A lot of it is good.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Because … There has been some accumulation of wisdom that is unaware, unconscious, that you are unaware of, that’s unconscious.
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And that too is making you do things.
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And serves an important purpose.
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In fact, as you spoke, I remember having read a study or something, a scientific study with reference to neurology.
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One of the people there, one of the scholars said, ‚The key to human’s evolutionary success is because he’s learned to forget.‘
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Actually, if we – like you said – if we remembered everything that happened in this incarnation in our lives, we would drop dead instantly.
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