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A54
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I think that chronologically, I think it was 2005, 2010
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when the first successful associations started to be effective,
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which started to include representatives from different styles.
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Particularly the one in Germany, I’m saying particularly because I’m a co-founder of ProReiki.
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One of their great achievements is that they brought representatives or members rather from different walks of Reiki life under one roof.
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This … let me call it an inclusive spirit, collaborative inclusive spirit ruled.
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Can you shed how supportive are you of this collaborative and inclusive spirit?
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[laughs]
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Okay, I’m not really …
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someone who likes associations much.
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Sounds funny from somebody like me.
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Who was the vice president of an association?
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It’s not really my thing, but I know that it’s necessary.
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And I know that it’s good for people, and I know that people want to be part of something,
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So they feel safe and they have support and all that.
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But I meant mostly associations like ProReiki, for example, that come from different schools.
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I’m not really a big fan of that, but I can see that they’re doing really good work, but I’m not a member of that.
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I’m not good being in an association like that. I don’t feel really comfortable.
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I didn’t mean the Jikiden Reiki. In Jikiden Reiki, I was feeling very comfortable.
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So, I know that it’s good work, but why do I say I’m not comfortable with it‘?
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I don’t have a political mind. I can’t. I can’t do it.
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I just can’t. It’s not for me.
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My question was also going a little bit in the direction of what would you say if your students, your Jikiden students came to you and said,
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‚I want to be a member of an inclusive organization and share my knowledge with other members of that association who come from
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other Reiki learnings and traditions, and be collaborative with them?‘
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I always encourage people to do it, even though I didn’t want to do it, because it doesn’t suit me.
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So, I always encourage them. And you know, in ProReiki, for example, a lot of the people who were involved in that
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were my students and people who were close to me.
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I always encourage them.
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I think the idea is good. It’s just a personal thing that I’m not good at political organizations.
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I just… It’s not my style. I feel uncomfortable.
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I’m married to a woman who says exactly the same thing, like you said.
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And she says, ‚Thanks God my students do that part.‘
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Yes, exactly.
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‚Thanks God my husband,‘ she is saying, ‚got involved.‘
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I’m the same. And when people ask me, ‚What do you think of Pro Reiki?‘ for example,
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I would say, ‚Those guys are doing a good job. Wonderful. I support that, but it’s not my way of working.‘
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My way of working is different.
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I know that I do better when I concentrate on the things I do well.‘
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I find that this inclusiveness is a great achievement and a great step forward into the future …
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compared to the earlier times where organizations, including the one I’m coming from, the Reiki Network,
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became somewhat … incestuous almost, you know, breeding just from …
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with the desire of having good standards, which is a good desire and an understandable quest.
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But eventually, and I see that with the OGM, I see that with Jikiden Reiki actually, from outside
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that I see the danger that it becomes too much of …
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too little diversity for things to evolve in a healthy way.
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We have really the best examples in all cultures right in front of our face.
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We have all our churches, our religions that began with some charismatic leader,
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somebody who had transcendental wisdom, beautiful teaching.
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And no matter where you go, whether you go to Islam, or to Hinduism, or to Buddhism, or to Christianity, or to …
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Judaism, wherever you go, it’s all beautiful. When you really go into it deeply, all of it is just fantastic.
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But then with time, only the bones remain
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and the real inside, the heart of it just starts to disappear.
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It’s always a danger when the organization becomes more important than the thing that is being organized.
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How do you avoid that? I have no idea. I really don’t know.
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Can it be avoided?
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I think it’s give and take. It’s always pushing the envelope, and each time we’ve overstepped it,
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of course we bear the consequences and we start anew. And hopefully each time we get a little bit further.
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That’s why I consider these inclusive organizations actually a quantum leap from the 90s, for example.
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But as we see with you … I’m no longer a member of any association.
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I’ve never been in Switzerland where I live. And I teach also in Germany, I’m no longer a member there,
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because I have – maybe similarly like you – the great desire not to be part of something,
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and follow my calling where my passion really is.
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But I am available – and maybe this is a good question also for you – I am available to associations when they organize things,
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if I can help them and support them in organizing what they’re doing or be even a speaker …
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We met at one of those conferences actually, not too long ago in Portugal.
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So the question would be:
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in future, am I right to assume that you will continue to be available to associations if they want you as a speaker,
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even if you no longer officially represent a particular organization?
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Absolutely, if they ask me.
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I mean, this is what I do … maybe not most of the time, but a lot of the time. Every year I go to Portugal, for example.
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Last year I was in New Zealand, invited by the New Zealand Reiki Association.
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Whoever invites me and wants me to talk about something, I do.
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I usually say yes, unless I have a gut feeling not to do, or my wife tells me not to do, but usually … That’s what I do.
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And of course I’m going to keep doing that. And for me, I had said earlier, I am not a status or …
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Fame.
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I’m not my position or something. I’m a person.
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I’m a human person and for me, all Reiki is good.
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And if some Reiki association asks me to do something for them, I will go and do it for them.
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Of course.
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I really don’t care for labels, not at all.
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And for me, inclusion is not something that we need to strive to, but it is something natural,
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because I know that everything is connected to me. I don’t have to make an extra effort.
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I know this whole thing is all one.
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Very beautiful statement.
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We don’t need to purposely look for it. If we let things evolve naturally, it’s a matter of course.
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Which leads me to an interesting observation. I’d like to bring it up with you.
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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli
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