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The Absurdity of Old Grudges
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‚Forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting. And if I forgive, it doesn’t mean I agree.‘
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So, me, being German, we have this old burden of the Nazi regime, of all the atrocities that were done,
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of things that maybe my parents, my grandparents did or so.
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I have the diaries of my grandfather.
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He spent ten years in Namibia in the German colonial army.
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The things that he writes about black people, they are so disgusting when you read it.
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But when I read it, I feel completely free because I am not like that.
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I’m not better than him. The times are different.
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But I don’t share his opinions about race, about all of that. I’m free from that.
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When other people have issues with each other, just get out of there.
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Let them deal with it. It’s not your responsibility. Okay, we do our best to bring people together.
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And the funny thing is that – we’ve already talked about it a few times – I seem to be a polarizing factor.
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When all I want really is to bring people together. That’s what I really want.
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And I think you have the potential to both. Sure you have polarized, there’s no question.
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But I also think, and I personally wouldn’t have invested so much if I wasn’t completely convinced
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that you have something to contribute to the opposite of polarization.
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And actually what you just said about your grandfather, if I may say …
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What people often overlook in a reconciliation process is, forgiving doesn’t mean forgetting.
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And …
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If I forgive, it doesn’t mean I agree.
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With my own father, I shouldn’t speak about you and your grandfather, but with my own biological father whom I’ve never met
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and whom I discovered had worn a black uniform as an SS officer.
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He was prisoner of war, as I mentioned.
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Now, chances are that he’s done terrible things.
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Does that really affect my … my love?
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No.
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For sure it affects you and it affects you more if you try to take some of the weight off his shoulders.
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That’s it!
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So what we need to do is we need to give it back where it belongs, with love and with respect
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and not allow that to disturb the biological and the human love which is beyond any of that.
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This is the thing and this is again reconciliation.
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So when you said, when Phyllis comes in or anybody else whom I have or had a conflict with,
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so you’re ready to leave that all behind and just meet as two human beings.
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Let’s say the only two left on planet Earth, what you’re going to do, you’re going to fight? Are you stupid?
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So the two of you left, you’re going to fight with them?
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You’ve got to be joking. So think of it like that.
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As far as I’m concerned, we’ve addressed an elephant in the room. We can close it here.
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I summarized that we both have come to a conclusion of sorts.
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If that picture should ever happen, it would need that the parties concerned talk to each other
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and we can only invite them and support them in doing so.
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That’s their … also … their … okay …
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I don’t know if it’s a good word, easily misunderstood, their karma, their …
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We all … The Japanese people, they have a proverb that says that even if you brush by somebody in the subway
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– and in Tokyo, you know when people get in the rush hour into the subway, you brush by a lot of people.
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If you brush by somebody in the subway, you have ‚goen‘ [Japanese] together. You have destiny together. You have karma together.
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So, people like us who work together in this very specific field, we all have stuff together that we need to work out maybe from the past.
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The best thing is to work it out. Otherwise, you have to do it next time.
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There’s no escape.
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So better to do it now.
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That’s my opinion. When you ask me, okay, if I’m ready to talk to whoever,
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of course I’m here, you know. I’m not going to hide or say, ‚I don’t talk to you.‘
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I mean, that’s silly, no?
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There is nobody … Okay, maybe, I don’t know, maybe one exception.
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Who’s that?
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Trump.
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He’s only a symptom.
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I know, I said it.
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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli
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Sabine: «This video means a lot to me, because, as you know, I also never knew my biological father, and of course, not knowing him, I sometimes wondered if he could have done terrible things in his life.»
Sabine: «This video means a lot to me, because, as you know, I also never knew my biological father, and of course, not knowing him, I sometimes wondered if he could have done terrible things in his life.»