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The Time is Right Now
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‚It’s not rejection – it’s survival.‘
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I’ve reached this year in my chronology, 2025, and there are only a few questions left.
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And we don’t know what will happen in 2025, thank God!
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We have no idea. We started it with a bang from you when you arrived, it was the 6th of January, the Three Kings Day
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and we have a lot of days, a lot of weeks, a lot of months to go, and hopefully many years to come.
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So, the last few questions.
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In 2011, we met for the first time.
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That was at a conference.
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Actually, I was behind the bar making coffee, and you came up and you wanted a coffee, and I gave you a coffee.
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That was the first contact we had. You had heard in that small encounter that I was riding a motorbike and that I had an affinity to Greece.
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And the next thing I knew, the next morning, you were actually sitting down next to me in the big assembly hall,
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and you opened your laptop, and you showed me pictures of your motorbike and of Greece.
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2011 and where was that? Where was I?
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It was at the Osho Centre where the Reiki Convention was.
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I think it was the very first Reiki Convention or the second.
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Ahh! Okay, okay.
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Which were great events, and actually they belonged to me to the first inclusive kind of events.
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I had great reservations going there because I was in my bubble.
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I was leaving my comfort zone entirely, meeting people like you or Walter Lübeck and many others.
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The organizer did a wonderful thing in terms of inclusiveness. It was quite a revolutionary thing, I thought.
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It’s where we met the first time. Then later I came to see you in Eresos on your island, on Lesvos.
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Then we had a number of contacts,
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and you had turned me down in terms of making this project come true.
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[thumbing his nose]
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That’s how I felt.
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Then, just over a year ago I had almost forgotten for a number of years about this project.
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And I had a revelation of some sorts on a walk, and I went home and I sent you an email,
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very cryptic email, two sentences.
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It had the heading ‚Should we?‘ As in, should we dance?
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Yes, yes, yes.
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I will come back to you being sometimes a very lousy communicator, but at that moment you were an excellent communicator,
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because within hours you wrote back equally cryptic,
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and the heading was ‚We should.‘
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What happened in the time? What had changed?
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It was a difficult time when we met. At the time we met in Frankfurt when you asked me the first time.
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It was time when there was a lot of conflict going on, and a lot of naughtiness coming my way.
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And there was a point where I actually felt that I’m putting people around me in physical danger.
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That sounds a bit odd to you when you hear it like that, but believe me, it was really like that.
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And I felt that I had to get off the ether for a while. So for a few years I stopped giving interviews,
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I stopped doing public things, and it was good.
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And then after a few years later, slowly, slowly, I felt it’s okay again.
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The negativity directed towards me and my work was not strong anymore, so I could go and do it.
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So when you wrote me that letter – exactly, as you said, ‚Should we?‘ – I thought, ‚Yeah, we should.‘
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So that’s what it was.
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So when you ask me what happened in the meantime, let’s put it this way:
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Sometimes maybe you feel it’s not the right time, or you feel there’s some resistance with a project or towards you,
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and the best way to deal with it is just to wait it out.
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Just wait, just wait, and it will pass. And then do it at the right time.
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I think now is the right time, so it’s good.
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I’m glad we didn’t do it then. Maybe also from my point of view, maybe I was feeling more loaded at the time and I’m still angry,
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and now I’m not.
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So. Good choice.
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Yeah, and I think indeed that the reconciliation process – and if I use that terminology, I don’t coin it to only my activities, not at all –
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there has been a lot of reconciling happening in the Reiki communities all over the planet.
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So we are in a very different spot today and we are in a better spot, I think, than we were 5, 10, 15 years ago with respect to that.
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That leads me actually to my second last question.
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Okay.
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Just now I said, ‚You’re a lousy communicator‘ and I’d like to apologize for my poor choice of words.
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I meant to say, ‚Sometimes you communicate in a very lousy way.‘ That maybe is more appropriate.
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And I’m saying it – and I’ve personally learned to live with it, because personally I experienced that when the chips were down and
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I don’t know how you know that and how you measure that, but when it became really important,
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I always got an answer from you very promptly.
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When I didn’t get an answer from you,
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and there were sometimes emails which stayed for weeks, others told me for months unanswered,
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I personally knew, well it wasn’t time or it wasn’t important enough.
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But you had rubbed up a few people, as I did my research, who said,
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‚That really hurt me. I was personally affected that Arjava didn’t respond all of a sudden anymore.‘ So, I’d like to give you an opportunity
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if you will to address this and maybe explain yourself.
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[laughs]
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Okay.
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What can I say about that? One of the things I can say is this.
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People think that I’m super wealthy, I have this big organization behind me, this big machinery.
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But I’m a one-man show.
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It’s just me. I don’t have a secretary. I organize my own flights, my own schedule, everything.
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My email, my correspondence.
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I have at the moment, I think 648 unread emails in my account,
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which I don’t have the time to read.
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And every once in a while, and it happens quite often, there is time for general amnesty.
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‚General amnesty‘ means that all those emails get thrown out unread.
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I don’t have the time to do it.
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And often I miss important emails. What to do? I can’t handle it. I don’t have the money to have a secretary.
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So I’m thinking now that I’m retiring from the Jikiden Reiki post, and if I start to teach again very actively,
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maybe I’m going to change that and get some help. But at the moment I can’t afford it.
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So, a lot of this is not because I don’t want to answer. It’s just I can’t. I have too much.
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I cannot. I can’t handle it.
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The volume is way too big. It’s just like that.
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In my general amnesty, it happens every once in a while.
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Literally, I just throw all the emails away because I can’t handle it.
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And then it becomes more and more stressful. Every day I open the Gmail account, I go,
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‚6, 7, 800!‘ I’m going like, ‚No, I can’t.‘
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This is one reason.
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Number two: I have quite a schedule.
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So, when I’m teaching or like here, I have not answered the single email since I’m here,
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because I’m here and I’m here for this. I’m not an able multitasker.
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So I can’t handle it. I put all my energy here.
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And then when I come home from a busy schedule, from teaching where I was fully present with the group and the people there,
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the clients and the students and everyone, then I go home.
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But I’m also husband and dad. I have two teenage kids.
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My daughter is turning 20 now. My son is 16. And I change roles.
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Then I become dad and I’m 24 hours there for them.
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Then often I don’t answer emails for weeks.
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That doesn’t have to do with the people who wrote them. I just …
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I have all these different parties that I dance in.
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When I’m with my family and with my kids,
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[shrugs]
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the communication or the correspondence is not happening.
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I’m sorry for that, but I just can’t.
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Plus I need time to recuperate and quiet time.
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So the best solution for me obviously would be to have somebody who can take care of my correspondence.
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That would be perfect, but I can’t afford it.
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Hopefully someday in the future I will. And then I’ll be such a good communicator. You won’t believe it.
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So it’s not out of … That I don’t want to talk to you or anything.
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Most of the time.
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But not always.
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There have been instances where people ask me to work with them and I just refuse them and I said, ‚No, I don’t want it.‘
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But okay, that’s rare.
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Well, I must say, I personally had, as I said earlier, it was fine with me.
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And at the beginning … Actually to be honest, not with you because I noticed the same phenomenon,
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particularly amongst young people, 20-25 today, they sometimes simply don’t answer to you.
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And it really … I have another ethos, another professional ethos in me where I try to answer immediately.
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Sometimes it pushed my buttons. Not in your case, but in other incidents.
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And these were opportunities to look … to do a little bit of ego check and self-reflecting why are my buttons being pushed.
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I think … nobody has asked me, but if anyone asked me how to deal with Arjava when he doesn’t answer my mails,
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I would really honestly answer to them,
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‚You can rely that you will get a response when the time is right and when the matter is important enough.‘
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That’s my experience.
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I don’t know about that, but what I do know is …
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So, if you’re communicating with me and you’re somebody that I work with, then I give you my WhatsApp number,
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but I don’t give it to anybody. I give it only … Because I need some privacy too.
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I don’t want to be always accessible and always having to answer because sometimes I just need two weeks off. Quiet.
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So, the people I work with, they have my private numbers and they can get me with that.
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By email, as I said, sometimes I just don’t look and sometimes I even throw them all away
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and there’s no animosity, or it’s not ‚You are in that pile of unread emails because I don’t like you.‘
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That’s everybody. That’s everybody I love and people I don’t know …
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When I am on top of the emails, I answer everything. Even things I shouldn’t be answering.
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The other day I had an email, just the day before I left for Switzerland, from somebody who obviously has a psychotic episode
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and I’m talking to my wife saying, ‚What am I going to do?‘
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If I don’t answer, I feel like I’m letting her down, I’m not supporting her,
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but the truth is, ‚Baby, you need a psychiatrist. Go find somebody, I can’t help you.‘
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In the end, that’s what I wrote. I said, ‚I’m sorry, I can’t help you, but get some professional help, you need a psychiatrist.‘
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Sometimes when people are very angry at me, I still answer them.
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If that was before the general amnesty.
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The other aspect you bring up, which deserves to be re-emphasized,
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I know from my own experience how much time one needs to recuperate also, even after a Reiki 1 seminar as a teacher.
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I think any viewer who is a teacher … That’s a takeaway for many teachers from this very conversation,
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that we all need time to recuperate.
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And it’s well advised to take time to recuperate.
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Absolutely, and it changes with age. I remember when I was young,
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maybe having two, three days after a journey, it was enough to recuperate.
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Now, it turned into a week, sometimes two weeks. Sometimes I just need two weeks off,
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in which I’m just husband and dad and chauffeur and jokester.
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Gardener. And I have so many things that I do.
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Sometimes I disappear, and my organizers or people that I work with, they know that sometimes I just am off.
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They don’t take it personally. It’s really not personal.
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If I have a personal problem with you, I can tell you that.
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I would know it.
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I’m old enough to say that.
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Good.
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Before I ask my last question, I’d like to quote, interestingly, Krishna Murti,
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whom you actually mentioned right at the beginning of our conversation.
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He said something on the question, ‚What do you think about the Buddha?‘
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Here is what he said:
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‚I don’t think about the Buddha because thought doesn’t enter the field of understanding.
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Thought doesn’t exist where love is.‘
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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli
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