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6 … 5 … 4 … 3 … 2 … No-One!
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«It destroys the whole hierarchy.»
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It’s the fourth day.
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We decided to tie up another few loose ends.
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One of them is that I would like to say something to the time we arrived with my chronology.
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We are now jumping to the present time, to 2024.
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There is no point in me emphasizing that we have a time where Elon Musk bought himself an entire country.
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But maybe on more uplifting news, I’d like to point out the Swiss documentary which came out in 2024, supported by Richard Gere.
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‚Wisdom of Happiness- a Heart to Heart with the Dalai Lama‘.
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We want to catch up on some loose ends and Arjava …
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When I went through my notes yesterday, I noticed that one element I didn’t quite point out.
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And then we discussed also today and you found … And I think the two things tie together.
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And my question, which I wanted to address, is the guru.
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The guru in Reiki. You. The guru of whatever you do.
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This morning I thought, well, we have addressed this indirectly, tacitly, so to speak, we’ve addressed it.
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By living the authenticity of who you are and what you said, you’ve actually answered that question already.
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But then we discovered something which you remembered, oh, it might be worthwhile remembering. And it actually ties in.
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And that’s, like, the real first degree of Reiki. Would you expand quickly, please?
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Yeah, okay.
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So, because I don’t see myself as a guru, I have a ‚guru‘ t-shirt.
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There used to be an Italian fashion designer or fashion label that was called ‚guru‘. So, sometimes I wear a t-shirt that says guru.
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I wear it mostly, almost exclusively at home, just to give myself the illusion that I have something to say there.
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Just kidding.
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So, when we were talking this morning, I realized that I had forgotten something.
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I was telling you about the different degrees that Usui sensei used prior to World War II
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that it started with, kind of pre-practitioner’s degrees. The 6th, 5th and 4th degree.
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Those degrees were conferred upon the learners by lower level teachers, local teachers in your area.
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So, let’s say here in Lucerne, there would be somebody who would give a Reiju to somebody interested in learning Reiki
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and a lecture about how it works, what it is, where it comes from.
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And that would be the 6th degree.
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Then, they would, if they were interested further, they could come again for the 5th degree, get another Reiju or initiation.
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And then another lecture.
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And then another one for receiving the 4th level. And these were the pre-practitioner degrees.
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Then, if the local teacher in Luzern here thought that,
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‚Oh, this René guy is really interested and he wants to know more. He’s burning. He wants to, he caught fire.‘
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Then, he would talk to Usui sensei or to Hayashi sensei and say, ‚I have a student I want to introduce to you to learn Shoden.‘
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And then you were introduced and you could learn Shoden. And that was the level 3.
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So, we have to rethink this whole thing because we think, ‚Ah, Reiki 1 is the lowest, Reiki 2 …‘ then as you go up,
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you go to the higher degrees. In Japan, it was the other way around.
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Upside down, like the strings of a guitar.
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So, the third level was Shoden and Okuden, which we would think of as Reiki 1 and 2.
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That was considered one unit, that was divided in two sections and then many other subdivisions.
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But just because Japanese society is very structured.
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And then you had the second degree.
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The second degree, it was called Shinpiden, the mystical teaching that was divided in four different levels again.
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The first was the assistant teacher, the Shihankaku.
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Then the senior teacher, the Shihan.
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The Dai Shihan, the one who can teach or who is permitted to teach all the levels, even part of the teacher’s level.
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And the Kancho in the Usui Association … um! … Kaicho, Kaicho! (Kancho is at the Kurama Temple).
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The Kaicho, the President, or in Jikiden Reiki, the Dai-hyo, the Representative.
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So, Usui sensei himself, and this is what I forgot …
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Finally, I’m getting to the point, Japanese style, beating around to bush for half an hour and then coming to the point, I’m almost there.
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Usui sensei put himself on level two.
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The first level, the first level of Reiki …
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is empty.
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There’s nobody.
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Reportedly, in the Usui Association, they say, and we also learned that via Hayashi sensei’s teaching,
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Usui sensei said to his students, his teacher students, those who were Shihans and Dai Shihans,
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‚Never stop learning, always continue learning from every student, from every client that you touch.
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You keep learning, and if you give yourself fully, then maybe one day you will surpass me.‘
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And that for … a teacher in a Japanese tradition!
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And I think it’s really for any teacher in all traditions and in all countries, what would be the best thing that could happen to you?
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I’m asking you, René.
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[stuttering]
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The proof of me being a good teacher is when my student excels me,
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when he’s going further, when he is manifesting a future, a more beautiful success, however that is defined.
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That’s actually when I know I’m doing all right, when my student is getting better than I am.
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Then you’ve done a good job. And in Reiki it’s like that.
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So Usui sensei had the exact same opinion.
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So it’s not about keeping your students small and keeping this, ‚Okay, René, maybe another 10, 15 years, you’ll understand.‘
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Like, ‚You practice more.‘
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It’s not like that. You encourage your students to do it better than you, and then when you see somebody
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who is really good at it, you smile and you go like, ‚Wow, yeah, that’s it.‘
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This is the best for the teacher to see that he’s got an incredible student.
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It’s not jealousy! It’s gratitude and thinking, ‚Wow, how beautiful.‘
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So, with this emptying of the first level, and really in the end, it will always stay empty
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because Usui sensei was considered an enlightened master, not just a teacher like you and me,
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but somebody who really understood himself, self-realized fully, end of his journey.
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There is nothing on top of that.
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So the first place remains empty and open and luminous forever.
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How beautiful is that?
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It destroys the whole hierarchy.
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Exactly right.
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And puts you into the right place where you belong.
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Somewhere. With everybody else. With just all the other teachers.
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And it emphasizes the self-responsibility of the student.
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And it doesn’t give a false pretence, there is a singular unit.
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I’m refraining from terms like Guru because I want to be respectful with the term Guru,
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which is a beautiful word.
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So, there is no illusion about an entity who has all answers.
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You are actually invited to find your own answers.
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To me, this is very close to the essence of Reiki of being continuously on the path.
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I think when you ask me, how do you define a good teacher? Or how do you see a good teacher?
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And when you spoke, it also showed that a ‚good‘ teacher allows himself to be vulnerable and open.
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Because he’s a learner still.
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And that is a very, very beautiful system.
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And I wouldn’t want to have it any other way.
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I think because the system is that way, and I’ve never heard it explained like you did.
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But my teachers, my Western teachers too, were saying self-responsibility, self-treatment and I’m a good teacher if you, René …
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Excel.
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excel – thank you – me John Veltheim and Esther Veltheim, my teachers.
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When you excel me, that’s when we have done a good job.
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Yeah, that’s when you smile, when you see it.
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It’s perfect. It’s kind of like a coach of a sportsperson or a runner or something. When they get the gold medal, you are happy.
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You are the most happy because you see that you’ve done a good job and that you’ve been able …
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to pass the passion and to pass the light on wonderfully.
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So just to, for my understanding, to go back to what you said.
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So, Usui sensei, he was on the second level and he was the only one on the second level.
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No! He was one with those other three.
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So, the second level was made up of Shihankaku, assistant teacher. Shihan, Dai Shihan and president.
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That was the second level.
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Okay, and so he was one with all of that.
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One with all of that. Okay, in the hierarchy, a little bit higher but on the same level.
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Yeah.
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And this is the point. So when …
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Have you ever met anybody who is on a different level from a human point from you?
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No, how?!
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How can you? There is nobody. We’re all the same. We are here. We are born out of parents.
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There’s nobody better. Or nobody worse. We’re all the same.
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It’s like that and Usui sensei really drove that point home and said you must continue to learn. Now, why?
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This is kind of, maybe it’s something that he took from his, either his childhood or from the education in the Zen Buddhist temple.
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They believe that enlightenment or self-realization is not a finished, static product of something.
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That suddenly, poof, everything is milk and honey but that you have some … reach some maturity, some understanding, which is beautiful.
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Some kind of low level self-realization and then you deepen that every day, every day.
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like I think I said the other day, like a lotus flower opening its petals in slow motion.
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And then the last movement when it’s fully open is your death.
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When you go and then game over.
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So, it’s not a finished product but with every moment, with every person you meet, with everything you do or you don’t do,
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you deepen your understanding.
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It’s beautiful to keep this beginner’s mind of … keep learning.
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I remember once I was at the book fair in Frankfurt, I think it was the second or third year, maybe the third year with the third book.
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Suddenly this big man came, he must have been, I don’t know, 1.95, like this broad shoulders.
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Very big red head, obviously had high blood pressure.
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And he said to me, ‚I am friend with your publisher, I am so and so.‘
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It turned out he was somebody who had been advisor of several German presidents, legal advisor,
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and been traveling with the German presidents all over the world.
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And … a Zen practitioner for 50 years.
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And he looks me straight in the eye and says, ‚Did you – I heard from Wolfgang‘ – from our publisher, ’so much about you. And in all
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your endeavours and on your spiritual search, did you ever get anywhere?‘
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And I looked at him said, ‚Oh, thank God, no!‘
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He hit me on the shoulders. ‚Good boy, go on like that!‘
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This was like a real Zen encounter that I had with him.
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And I understood where he was going, the moment you think that you have reached something
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– and I have had experience like that where I thought I’ve reached some kind of state, inner state –
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you’re wrong.
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You’re wrong and you’re asleep.
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Again, you must wake up again. And you need a slap.
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That’s beautiful. And Usui sensei made sure that we always keep that correct attitude to learn, learn, learn.
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This is why we are here. If we didn’t have to learn, we wouldn’t be here. And when the learning is finished … Game over.
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And even if you throw another 50 cents into the machine, it doesn’t start up again.
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So the fact that we are here means we haven’t finished the job.
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We haven’t finished learning.
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And I think … Thank you again! I think that under the heading of reconciliation, we have been speaking with each other.
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And I would like to think that it has been a mutual process of learning, learning, learning.
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And that is maybe a very beautiful conclusion when we think in terms of reconciliation.
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That we’re … It’s a process, it’s an unfolding process which entails that we talk to each other, that we are respectful with each other,
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and that we are ready to learn, which means to let go of old rigid ideas and beliefs
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and open ourselves to the possibility that the reality, whatever that is,
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is different than what I had perceived it to be before this very moment when we got together.
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Yeah, we have to open our hearts. That’s the thing. Of course, maybe we are afraid we’ve had some bad experience, we got hurt.
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But this is, I think, the most important ability to nourish, to develop in your life,
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to always reflect back, go back in and open your heart as much as possible.
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I remember once somebody asked me in the lecture, we had a question-answer session afterwards,
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‚What’s the best way to protect yourself?‘ I said, ‚To open your heart as much as possible.‘
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That’s the best defence.
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Yeah, then …
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Arjava, I wish you all the best for your future.
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I know that you’re going to go through a lot of interesting times, as you call them.
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Some might call it challenging times. You said they’re going to be interesting.
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I know there are a lot of uncertainties and question-marks in the weeks and months ahead of you.
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All the more I’m grateful that you spent all this time with us here to let us have a look inside.
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Maybe you verbalizing your own thoughts and remembering your own lessons
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will help you to have an open heart and find constructive solutions with your partners to go forward
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– and I’m going to use a modern terminology, not an ancient, wise Eastern terminology –
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to create win-win for yourself and the other person, your partners.
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If you manage to do that, Arjava, all of us are going to be winners.
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Thank you. I trust that.
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Thank you.
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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli
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