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Exclusive: Bert Hellinger’s Reiki Constellation
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‚People have been fighting very viciously for many years.‘
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[Bert Hellinger:] Now what is the issue?
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[Arjava Petter:] The issue is: I would like … to look at the Reiki Association.
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Because … there have been many, many problems when people have been fighting very viciously for many years
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and I feel that it hinders the thing as such, it hinders what it is all about.
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Okay … I want to hear something about the hierarchy.
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With respect to the time of the beginning. Who was the first one, who was the second one, who came after?
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So that I have a clear picture about this.
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Yes, the first one was Dr. Usui, a Japanese national from this area.
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Apparently he died rather suddenly, but before he died, he started an association.
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Now we take a representative for him.
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[A man gets up and takes a position representing Mikao Usui.]
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So, then when he died, of course, some people left the movement. One of those started his own association.
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We don’t know for sure, but probably it happened at Dr. Usui’s death. [1926]
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Man or woman?
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Man.
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May I take you for him? Stand there.
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[2nd representative takes position, i.e. Chujiro Hayashi.]
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This man, Dr. Hayashi, then brought it [Reiki] to the West, through a second generation Japanese American.
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And from there, it spread.
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Now, the representative for that, is that a woman?
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It’s a woman, yeah.
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Could you?
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[A woman gets up representing Hawayo Takata.]
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And she started teaching it worldwide and said,
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‚I am the only one left. In Japan, everybody died in the war, so nobody’s practicing Reiki in Japan.‘
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So the next part of the story is that we stumbled, 70 years later,
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we stumbled across all these people who’ve been doing it here, actually, which come from this association.
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But these are the main three representatives?
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Yes, after she died, her association split into two parts.
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So we need two more representatives?
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Yes.
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Two women, two men?
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Two women.
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Okay.
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Do you want to stay, Pan?
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Okay.
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[A woman gets up as representative for ?Phyllis Lei Furumoto?]
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No? Please, a second one.
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[The representative for ?Barbara Weber Ray? is entering.]
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I don’t know if it’s important, but one of them, the leader of one of the associations, is her grand-daughter.
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Her grand-child?
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So the fourth generation, Japanese-American. The other one is American.
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No, I think that’s unimportant.
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So, I …
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And then, out of those two – the two last ones – appeared people who were not part of either,
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but they’re like free, the free – what I call the free Reiki teachers, not attached to any of the associations.
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Okay.
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And you are attach to one?
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I’m not attached.
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You belong to the free fruit.
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Yeah, the free floating one.
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So we need a representative for you.
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You do that?
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[A man gets up to represent Frank Arjava Petter.]
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[Arjava guides Hayashi to his place.]
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That’s Dr. Hayashi.
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[Arjava guides Usui to his place.]
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[Arjava guides ?Furumoto? to her place.]
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[Arjava guides Takata to her place.]
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[Arjava guides ?Weber Ray? to her place.]
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[Arjava guides Petter to his place.]
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..[?].. you
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It is.
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Okay.
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Then … Start.
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What was going on with you?
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I was … from the beginning, I was much interested in nature, in these trees, and also the statue.
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And I heard this cicadas, and only the feet, the feet of one of the men which was … you, get me sometime.
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And then I saw outside some flowers and I wanted to be in nature. It was fine there.
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And then I again looked into this room a little bit, and I got a headache.
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[laughter]
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There was no special interest, I was just distracted from nature.
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And it became something ..[?].. got a headache.
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What was going on with you?
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I felt a strong connection to him, I wanted to continue as equal partners.
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But as I noticed that he was turning around and became more and more uninterested,
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I felt a strong ..[?]…
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I noticed her rage against him, and I was in doubt if I had to interfer in that.
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And as he left the room, I felt really sad. And then I felt like petrified,
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and all the rest that happened afterwards behind my back, so it wasn’t interesting anymore.
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First I felt a very strong longing for him.
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And when he turned around, there was a point when my personality was going away … went away.
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I was no longer a person, I was just a … I had no rage. Nothing, nothing now.
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But sometimes the personality appears and then disappears.
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And when he went out, I felt I had to turn … to keep that …to keep … there was … just then.
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[ Speaking German ] At first I stood very firmly and connected to the earth.
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At some point I started to tremble and had a few … like lightning, energy through the body, like a headache
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and then it became a rather unpleasant feeling more towards the bottom,
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kind of nausea and then I had the feeling that I couldn’t hold myself up or that I would fall over.
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[ Speaking foreign language]
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I didn’t have, I didn’t get a much strong feeling, emotional.
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When she stood up in front of me,
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My master, I felt like she’s my master.
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My attention was only drawn to her when she was moving away. I wanted to follow, my body was just facing her back.
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I didn’t get a strong emotion.
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I was unstable all the time.
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All other people’s movement was affecting me, but other people’s movement didn’t support me to be stable at all.
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Once Hayashi moved in front of me, I had a strong connection with him. However, the moment he walked away from me, again I was unstable.
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In the end, my both palms got hot and my arm was getting wider.
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Okay, great. Sufficient?
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