Ghosts in the Lineage

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Ghosts in the Lineage

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‚I left with one suitcase…‘
‚Oh my God, this is just what I learned from my brother!‘

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And not all of them got re-initiated.

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In other words, there are some out there who continue to teach in your Raj heritance, let’s call it.

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And …

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I believe amongst them there were some Reiki teachers who had quite a lot of presence in the Reiki community, who were very successful.

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Yeah.

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You care to name them or …?

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Well, one time, this is now a ’99, Hiroshi Doi was giving a workshop for, I think it was only for teachers in Vancouver, in Canada.

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And I was … I had planned at the time to visit old friends in Seattle, so I thought, since I’m very close,

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I might as well go there and see what he’s teaching, what he has to do.

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I went there and joined the workshop and then at some point, somebody in the group said,

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‚Oh, please sensei, show us how to do an initiation.‘

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And … I think, if I remember correctly, all the participants were all teachers of different linages.

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And I saw him sitting there, he had his microphone and he went … (mumbling in Japanese)

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It means, (mumble) ‚That’s a problem.‘

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Something he mumbled, but I heard it.

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And I know to read the body language of Japanese people who don’t want to do something.

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But the audience was all North Americans, they didn’t know.

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Again, he was going, ‚Arghhh.‘

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And again, somebody else said, ‚Yes, please.‘ And before you knew it, you had all the people cheering, ‚Yes, yes, yes … !‘

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So he couldn’t say, no.

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And then he showed some attunement process and I’m sitting there thinking, ‚Oh my God, this is just what I learned from my brother.‘

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So, Hiroshi Doi was one of your early students then?

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No, he was one of … a student of … one of my students‘ student.

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So I’m his grandfather.

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In that lineage!

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I understand.

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I don’t know what he has done meanwhile, but I know some of the things he has done.

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Meanwhile, for example, he became a member of the Usui Association.

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Yes.

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And received reiju or initiation from them, but he was not a teacher in that.

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But he may have done other teacher trainings – I did too – with other people.

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So, he must be teaching something that’s perfectly wonderful.

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Actually, there is a beautiful story with my son, who went to visit Hiroshi Doi on my behalf to pay my compliments to him,

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because I wanted Hiroshi Doi to be a guest of mine in my talk show.

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I’ll tell you that story, or better yet, my son, Thassos, can tell you the story. It’s very amusing.

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Any … other …

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because in his particular case, of course, this development which we just heard about, had a continuation.

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One I actually personally was involved in, because I was one of the founders of the German Reiki Association.

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At one point in time, there was very intensive discussion about …

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… not ‚recognition‘, they used a different word …

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characterize! How to characterize certain Reiki styles.

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That included the pedigree, the master lineage needed to be cleared. There was a lot of dispute around Hiroshi Doi, of course.

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I remember that they asked me, the people who were involved, that they asked me when his student …

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No, wait! … when his teacher’s teacher …

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his teacher’s teacher … learned from me.

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And because – I said to you earlier – also, I didn’t take my records with me from Japan.

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I left everything behind there.

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So, I didn’t know when they asked me when this guy called Arpan, when he learned from me.

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And I said, ‚I don’t know if it was before my second Reiki lineage or after.‘

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And then I said to the person who was involved in that, I said,

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‚The only thing I can suggest to you is to send a message to my ex-wife and ask her if she still has that information, or if she’s willing

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or able to talk to you. I have no idea, she doesn’t talk to me. So, I can’t help you with this but good luck!‘

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Then afterwards he sent me a message and said, she did answer and it was before.

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So, It did work.

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I’m actually glad you lined this up and explained it, because to me listening to you a contradiction opens. Here we have the man who is

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proud of having labels on every record. And then at the same time he says to me, sorry, I left the records behind in Japan. That doesn’t

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quite gel, but from what I deduce from your story now was there was a development in Japan with your wife, where you then separated,

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you went to Germany, and the records are not lost per se, only you don’t have them, Chetna, your previous wife does.

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I don’t have them. So I will tell you, okay, this is very personal.

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I left in 2002 with one suitcase.

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That was it. I took one suitcase, some clothes.

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I left the money that I had there. I took 500 Dollars.

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And I went to Germany.

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And then afterwards, we had a three-year vacation in court.

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(sighing, expressive body language)

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I got sued for a lot of money, which I didn’t have.

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And during that time I couldn’t get my things. This was one of the … rules of the game that I couldn’t get my things.

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And a lot of my things I never got.

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Okay … That makes sense.

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I just never got them. I don’t know what happened to them. I don’t really want to discuss that too deeply.

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We all know that in a divorce, people do things that they shouldn’t be doing.

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I … restrained myself very hard.

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I think I did okay. I did my best not to do something that I regret. And I only stepped back and said,

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‚(taking a deep breath) Okay … (exhaling) Okay.‘

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I tried not to react.

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But partly the reason was that I just didn’t get everything that …

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… some things got lost.

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Yeah. And …

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One thing I will tell you now that was really cute kind of.

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Just before Ogawa sensei died – and will pick that up again tomorrow – he gave Shizuko three documents to give to me.

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I don’t know why he wanted me to have it. I showed two of them …

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Who was this now?

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Shizuko is my friend who had the connection with Ogawa sensei.

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Ah, yeah!

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She calls me, she says, ‚Hey, Ogawa jii-chan‘ – granddad, grandfather – ‚he has something to give you but

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he said, it can’t go through the mail. He has to come pick it up.‘

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This is just before he died.

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It turned out to be the Usui manual, what Usui sensei had given to his students, the hand-out.

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And Ogawa sensei’s memories with the title, ‚Anyone Can Do Reiki.‘

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I asked him then, ‚Would you like that published? My publisher would love to do it. I’m sure I can promise you, even without asking them.‘

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She said, ‚No, this is just for you.‘

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And then a manual … Koyama sensei’s teaching manual, which was like super-secret and she said,

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‚Don’t copy these things. Don’t give to anybody.‘

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He said, ‚I just want you to have it.‘ I don’t know why he wanted me to have it.

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Then he died. After his death, his family called him and said, ‚If you want, you can go through his legacy.‘

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But I couldn’t do it. Because I never met him in person.

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It was always through my friend, Shizuko. Always.

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I remember after my dad died, and I had to go through his wardrobe. It took me three weeks to open the bloody thing.

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Every time I thought, ‚Okay, now it’s time to clean up the wardrobe.‘ I had the key in my hand that I’m going like, ‚Oh, not today.‘

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It just, it hurt. Somehow I felt like I’m in the wrong place.

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And with Ogawa sensei’s legacy, I felt like I would be like a grave digger, you know, digging up.

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And I thought, ‚I should do it for the research and everything.‘

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But my heart was saying, (groans), ‚No.‘ So, I said to the family, ‚Burn it with him.‘

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So, I was told not to copy it.

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Then a few months later, I meet Chiyoko Yamaguchi.

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I asked her, ‚Do you have get a copy of the manual by Mrs. Koyama.‘

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She said, ‚No, what is it?‘ I said, ‚Well, it’s like a teaching manual.‘

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‚No, I’ve never seen that.‘

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‚Would you like …‘ I asked her, ‚Would you like to read it?‘

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And she said, ‚Yeah.‘ And I thought, ‚Okay, I’ll break my promise now.‘

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One time!

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I copied it. I sent it to her. Next time I met her I asked her, ‚How was it, did you read it?‘

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She said, ‚Oh, yeah, that was fun. I enjoyed reading very much. I remember so many things from the past. Very good.‘

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Then – fast forward a few years, after my divorce – finally when I paid what I had to pay, I could get my things

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They didn’t allow me to go pick them up myself. I had to hire a company to do it.

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When the things came, there were a few things missing.

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Guess which was missing?

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The manual of Koyama sensei. I don’t know if it was accidental or what.

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Also, Ogawa sensei’s memoirs were not there among some other things.

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Then I remembered, ‚Oh, I made a copy for Chiyoko sensei!‘ So, I called her.

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Actually, not her, but I called Tadao seinsei. She had already died.

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He said, ‚Yeah, I have it. I will make a copy.‘ So, I got it back, because I broke my promise.

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(Gossha)

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Thank you. I am sorry. Good.

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So it’s not all what it seems to be.

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Certainly not.

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Sometimes there are personal mix-ups in between, things that maybe don’t make sense to you,

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but just because you don’t know the whole story.

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Yeah.

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It is all mixed up.

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Should we cut it here for the moment?

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(mimicking cutting with scissors)

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(chuckling)

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We are getting somewhere.

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I am very happy.

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Yeah, we are getting somewhere. It’s good.

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Thank you, guys.

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Dankeschön!

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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli