Resignation from Jikiden – Why and What now?

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Resignation from Jikiden – Why and What now?

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‚I want to pay more attention to unravelling my development, the deepening of my human experience…‘

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This was quite exciting now to hear that you had …

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I knew that Bert Hellinger is a friend of yours.

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But I didn’t know that you actually had asked them to do a constellation with Reiki.

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And of course I had planned towards the end of these three days

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to speak a little philosophically about the energy field of Reiki.

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So that will fit in perfectly.

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Yes, nice. We can look at that.

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I used to organize for him for a few years in Japan. And then because at the time

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– this was in 2000 or something like that –

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everybody was fighting in the Reiki community. And I wanted to understand what’s going on.

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So we set up Usui sensei, Hayashi sensei, then …

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Phylllis Furumoto, Hawayo Takata, Barbara Ray, which I thought at the moment were the kind of major player.

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And then somebody for me because it was like a supervision constellation.

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So I was the client and I involved so I was in there too.

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This is extremely exciting, because it shows to me that the idea of reconciliation within the Reiki community has been on your mind

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– also with you having been involved and that you actually got involved to the point

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that you had Bert Hellinger personally make the constellation.

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Now, I don’t want to speak in detail about that at this point in time if that’s okay, please.

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We reserve that … but it’s an extremely exciting topic.

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I had planned at this point actually to start a little bit more formal with …

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me basically reading out something for the camera for my viewers.

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I had planned to read out a little bit also for the viewers, the general overview,

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why I’m doing what I’m doing and things like that.

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And I’d like to do that still but you came here yesterday and you had some breaking news.

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And before we officially start with me reading this out, I’d like to address this topic,

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because otherwise it’s going to stand here like pink elephant in the room.

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I know it, you know it and actually my son Thassos knows it. I told him yesterday when he arrived.

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And I thought, how we’re going to use this material and if and when?

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Obviously that’s going to be closely coordinated with you, because it’s a very sensitive topic.

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But I thought let’s start with that if that is all right.

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Yeah, okay, fine with me.

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Good. I had planned to ask questions, and critical questions,

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about Jikiden Reiki, the institution later on, the day after tomorrow or tomorrow maybe.

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But let’s forget all of that. We’ll get there when we get there if we get there.

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And let’s talk about what you told me yesterday.

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Would you mind telling me again and telling us again that we talk a little bit about it what you told me yesterday?

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Okay, so maybe, you know, you have to get used to the way I speak. There’s always a bigger context somehow.

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Like I’m really a storyteller. So I like to draw from things past and weave them into the present.

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So, my answer is this.

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I’ve been working with Jikiden Reiki for 25 years.

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I put all my heart, all my love into it and fairly recently I realized that I can’t do it anymore and I want to reset.

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Like the way you reset an electronic instrument. So ‚reset to factory settings‘.

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Start new. Erase the disk. Start new. I’m tired. I don’t want all this old stuff anymore. I want to be present.

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I want to pay more attention to here, to now, to my unravelling, my development, my deepening my human experience.

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And I had the feeling that I can do that only if I stop my job as the Vice Representative of the Jikiden Reiki Institute

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and just take care of my own stuff from now on.

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So that’s it.

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I know this from yesterday’s conversation that you came to this decision

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– it probably had been fostering inside you for a longer time –

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but only two weeks ago at Christmas time, this decision matured to the point that it became a decision

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that you decided to also verbalize it to your closest and most intimate … partners.

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So … What does that mean?

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What did you say to them? You said ‚I’m resigning as the Vice President of the institution‘?

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And how is that …? Do you have already some sort of idea how that’s going to continue for you?

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No.

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(chuckles)

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No, not at all. I will see. I will see how it goes.

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I didn’t want to make a decision that after I have already organized my future, my escape,

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my divorce, my blah, blah, blah, everything.

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I didn’t feel comfortable with that. Just when I reached that decision, I talked to my friends in Japan and said,

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‚Look, I can’t do it anymore. I’m very sorry. It’s not me. It’s not your fault.

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It’s me who is the problem because I can’t do it anymore and I’m sorry I will resign.‘

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Just like that. It was okay.

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But a decision like that is like an illness.

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You wake up one morning and you think, ‚Oh man, I got a cold. My nose is full.‘

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But you see only the symptom.

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And you think, ‚Yesterday I was okay and today I’m not.‘ But you were not okay yesterday.

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It’s been a process. It’s been accumulating, accumulating, accumulating, accumulating.

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And at some point then when you wake up, then you say, ‚Okay, now I got to do something different.‘

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It is a process.

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That’s a nice catch word ‚waking up‘. We’ll revert to that later when we speak about your time … as part of your life.

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But let me just stay a little bit …

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You know, in the business world, at least at the time – and I think it hasn’t changed –

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when you change jobs or better yet, you get headhunted by a competitor,

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the practice then is that you signed a contract with the new company in secret

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before you drop the bombshell at home. And I hear from you that you’re saying,

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‚No, that’s not my style. I came to a decision and I’m throwing myself to a degree into the unknown.‘

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So you’re right. My style is I usually take the second step before the first.

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And then, okay, sometimes when you do that you fall.

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It’s kind of natural. But I like that.

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I feel comfortable with that. I was telling you yesterday, sometimes when a couple breaks up,

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one of the two goes to the lawyer and talks about exactly how to divide all that they have amassed together.

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Then they go to a real estate agent to kind of put the house on the market.

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And they talk to everybody else and the only one who doesn’t know is the partner.

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And then when everything is done, they tell them and I find that disgusting.

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It’s dishonest to me. My name is ‚honesty‘.

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Let me be frank with you. Honest.

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That’s my thing. I can’t. I can’t stand it.

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So I made a decision for me, because of me, taking the responsibility myself for my actions.

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And then I will deal with the consequences. Let’s see what develops. I have no idea.

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So how do you feel? I presume one way you must feel liberated, you must feel relieved, I guess.

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And on the other hand, you must have doubts about uncertainty. What’s going to happen in the future?

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Are you going to still teach Reiki? Are you going to still teach Reiki as Jikiden Reiki?

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All these questions, they may not completely be answered.

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So what’s your emotional state at this point in time with all this being so fresh?

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Just as you said, exactly as you said,

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On one hand I feel relieved because there was a big responsibility and a big

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weight just by the size of that package. In Jikiden Reiki, we have so many students. It has grown so big.

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I felt some kind of relief from that.

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Because I’ve always seen myself as the link between East and West.

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And it’s a lot to carry.

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And on the other hand, of course there’s insecurity and I’m thinking,

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‚What’s going to happen now?‘ But I trust and I know that you can’t escape from your destiny.

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You can’t avoid it.

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It will catch up with you anyhow.

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There is no way. There is no way.

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What is to happen will unfold and we’ll see

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and we will just be here and watch it unfold.

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For sure, I’m not going to stop teaching because

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that’s my love. My love and my medicine. The teaching, I love that.

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You know, I’ve written lots of books so I obviously like to be alone also

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with just the computer and working and expressing my love to an unseen audience,

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which is not physically here, but of course in my mind they are because I’m talking to them.

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But in a controlled area at home alone.

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And then the other side is the actual teaching that I love and I need, the contact with people.

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That’s my two passions.

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The aloneness, the creative output on my own and then the creative output with people.

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Yes, of course I’m going to continue doing that, but I don’t know yet.

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If people should ask me personally to tell them in one word what I think, I consider my calling

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in life or in the sound incarnation is, I would probably say initiator, not teacher but initiator.

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What is it for you? Author, teacher… if you have to reduce the very essence, the calling of why,

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why you are here now with me.

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It sounds a bit corny maybe. The only thing I care about is the love in my heart.

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Everything else is insubstantial. You come and you go empty handed.

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You don’t take your money, you don’t take your wealth, your power, your fame, your …

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I don’t care about any of those things, but I care about this,

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what is going on inside that expansiveness in the heart.

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I remember in South Africa I went to the Kruger National Park many years ago.

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I was standing there just closing my eyes and going, oh my God, it’s so quiet and so peaceful and spacious.

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I felt this incredible spaciousness, expansion because the place is huge and there are no people,

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So no mind activity is happening there or very little.

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I thought the only other place that becomes that quiet and that spacious and that nourishing

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is when you go and look inside. It’s the same.

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So, about this I care, everything else … Of course this I like to …

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share with my friends, with the people that I meet but not only the people in workshops and so

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but also you here, or the lady in the supermarket or the guy at the bank.

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The man at the reception of your hotel.

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Yeah, the same.

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I act exactly the same way with everybody.

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At home, outside, everywhere. It’s always the same.

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Of course it’s been in you probably all along this calling which you just described …

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you used to word love, very strongly. But …

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life from birth onwards has given you challenges. You weren’t always in touch with that.

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You had deviated. We’ll talk about that in detail.

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At this point in time, I want to put it in relation to what you said yesterday with your resignation from office, so to speak.

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Because all the questions I will have as we really start this interview … are …

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For me it will be important to know, can I make a reference to this very fact?

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Or do you think that this is going to be very secret in the world at large?

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Of course the videos are going to be released only in about an year’s time. We’re going to take time.

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But for me to ask questions how much do you want me to ‚pretend‘ I wouldn’t know that you’re resigned and just …

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No, no, no! We don’t pretend anything.

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Pretension hasn’t helped anybody. We look at the things as they are.

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Okay?

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With a lot of authenticity.

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What else to do? I don’t have time to waste in playing games. So for example,

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with my wife, I don’t play games. We don’t have secrets. Everything is on the table.

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We strip completely naked in front of each other.

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I like to be transparent with you.

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Okay, let’s take our clothes off.

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(laughter)

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So, it is what it is.

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Of course, because it’s a …

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it’s a touchy … it’s a touchy situation

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and it’s going to create some stirs, some movement.

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A lot of people are going to be so disappointed.

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The world is crumbling on their feet.

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Maybe because people associate me with that position.

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But I’m not a position. I’m just a human, just like anybody else.

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However because of that, I have talked to Tadao sensei and said to him,

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‚Let’s see how we can do this in the most loving and kind way.‘

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And we haven’t come to a conclusion yet but we’re both thinking about it.

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So by the time the videos will be available to the public, we will have worked it out.

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Okay. Well it’s actually very interesting. I was in contact with Tadao in a slightly different context,

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I think two months ago.

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And of course I mentioned … And he knew that we are sitting together

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from, he may have known from you too, but I had my contact with him.

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And he was very supportive for us to have this conversation,

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which of course was before you had taken this decision.

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And he spoke very highly of you as speaking for and on behalf also of the Institute.

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So, I think that doesn’t change at all. We can continue ….

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For me, no. For me, no. I mean let’s say …

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Don’t associate me with the position. I’m not a position. I’m a person.

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Okay. Great!

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Transcript: René Vögtli