The Beach of Forgivenesshas Two Sides.

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The Beach of Forgiveness
has Two Sides.

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‚We learned the lessons and we’re okay. Let it go.‘
‚Tell him, I’m happy to connect with him.‘

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I am touched.

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Thank you.

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I am also reminded of a situation when I was with Phyllis … in entirely different words.

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But she also expressed something very similar.

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Or more precisely, I was equally touched.

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Maybe that’s by who she was.

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She apologized and I know, and she has said so, that the apology is difficult

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because she is addressing a general audience and not an individual.

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And indeed you were right when I spoke to you the very first time. Apologies need to be addressed in person.

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I fully agree with you.

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And so did she.

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It was actually a dilemma she had.

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It was in 2017, actually in Germany, when I arrived in Gersfeld at the General Assembly of the Association in Germany.

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In the evening Phyllis and Thassos and I, we presented the documentary-interview to the plenum.

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I met her two days earlier.

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There were two questions she had.

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One very important and one less important.

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The one less important was, ‚René‘, she said to me, ‚I felt you have disrespected me and I need to clear this with you.‘

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So she and I had a clear conversation and it revolved actually around me having finished the documentary- interview,

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sending it to her and asking her to look at it and give me the thumbs-up or if there was something substantial to tell me and there wasn’t.

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She never responded. So, I reminded her and I reminded her and I said,

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‚Now it’s 14 days and then I will release it, whether I’ve heard from you or not.‘

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I didn’t hear from her and I released and she was upset.

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Okay, okay.

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And … so we cleared that.

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I ‚defended‘ myself. I presented my position.

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Most importantly, I asked her, ‚Well, is there anything which you wanted to have clarified or you objected to?‘

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And she said, ‚That’s not the point. You did a good job, but that’s not the point.‘

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So we were able to reconcile with each other on that personal level.

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As she knew, we would. That’s why it was the less important of the two questions.

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The more important question, and I can’t remember which she asked first, was, ‚Is Arjava here?‘

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She had actually, wrongly, assumed that you were a member of the German Association,

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because the year before, you gave the laudatio for the honoury membership for Tadao.

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So she had jumped to a conclusion, because she is an honorary member, that you were a member of the Association

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and therefore you would be at the General Assembly.

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And I said, ‚No.‘

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And she said, ‚Oh, I’m very sorry. I wanted to meet him and have a direct conversation.‘

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I know that the two of you never met. She then passed away.

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But she did … Her apology was clearly addressed to you.

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And from my point of view, it would be wonderful if you accepted that apology.

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Yeah, I’ve never watched it, so I don’t know.

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Maybe I’ll watch it then, first.

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Okay. Well, you can take it from me, here and now, that this is what she did.

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She used the words, ‚I … apologize … I ask for forgiving.‘ She used the terminology, ‚for all the transgressions.‘

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And she also took responsibility for transgressions done in her name.

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Because I know that in Germany later there were … It wasn’t her personally.

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No, no.

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It was other people who intervened.

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Yes, yes.

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But that’s somebody else.

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She took responsibility for that and she did ask for forgiving and for acceptance of her apology.

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And I personally feel … it’s still a pending matter.

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Mm, mm.

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Yeah, nice. Okay, new beginning.

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We can leave that behind now.

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I’d like to think that, yes.

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Yeah, nice. You know, there comes a point when …

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it’s just not relevant anymore.

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Like I said, when you have had a good meal and you’re satisfied, you know, what, you’re going to take one more bite? Why?

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No. It’s okay. We learned the lessons and we’re okay.

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Let it go now.

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Nice.

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The …

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Her concept or her practice, her tradition, continued with her appointing a successor.

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That is Johannes Reindl in Austria.

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I have spoken to him also in preparation for the conversation with you.

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With a view to that pending matter of Phyllis’s apology and we were discussing this.

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I’m also making a lot of efforts that people get to talk with each other.

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I mentioned privately that I’m involved in even associations who have fallen out with each other.

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And that’s … I consider this as part of my reconciling effort.

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In the end, in the end, it all comes down to that.

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If two people have a conflict with one another, what should they do?

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Talk. Get together, talk.

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Don’t go to other people and complain and bitch and, and all of this. Go and talk to each other and finish it.

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And don’t wait until it’s really poisonous and fermented nicely, you know, and stinky and all that.

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The best is to, in the moment when something arises, fix it right away.

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Don’t carry it because then it becomes, as we can see in, in all of this, it becomes such a mess.

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And so mixed up, all the different emotions and all the different lives and all the different issues that people may be having personally

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and it all becomes one big slimy substance.

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So the best is just to talk.

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And get it over with, like, for example, in my relationship with my wife, we have a deal.

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I said it yesterday already. We put all the cards on the table, between friends.

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That’s how it should be.

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He is … Johannes is very open to discussions with anyone. He actually, to … my very great personal pleasure …

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‚joy‘ is the correct word.

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To my joy, I realized that he has an open dialogue, an open Reiki group.

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When I spoke to him about eight weeks ago, six, eight weeks ago, he said, ‚Oh, maybe I get to speak once in a Congress with Arjava

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or we get to talk to each other.‘ Anything you would like to address to him?

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Any time. I’m fine with that. I’m always open.

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As I told you, my basic longing is for harmony deep inside.

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The confrontations that I cause … I guess it’s on the other side of the same spectrum.

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So one end you have the irritation. On the other you have the harmony. It’s still the same thing.

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It’s still the same …. Let’s say you’re standing on the beach.

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In Eresos where I live. A three kilometre beach.

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On the left is irritation. And on the right is harmony. It’s still the same beach.

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Those are not two different beaches. It’s the same thing.

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Two sides of the same coin. Two sides of the same coin. That’s it.

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There is no difference.

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So you can tell him. Of course I’m happy to connect with him also.

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For me, I said it earlier, Reiki is Reiki is Reiki. It doesn’t have a label.

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There cannot be a Reiki that is better.

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There cannot be a Reiki that is inferior.

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It’s not possible. The word Reiki: Rei is made out of three components.

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The first one is ‚rain‘. The rain in Shinto, in the indigenous feeling of the Japanese people, it’s the blessings that come from the universe.

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And fall on us.

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Then the middle part of the Chinese character is either ‚container‘ or the ‚human being‘.

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Together that means the human being, the human body is the container for the cosmic blessings.

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That’s how they see us, the Shinto people, if you act in a certain way,

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that’s the condition, the third kanji, which is the kanji for a female shaman. So if you’re like that, if you’re intuitive,

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if you’re in touch with the invisible world, then your body becomes the container for the cosmic blessings.

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And we said yesterday that Reiki is really kind of folk healing.

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In the old days the people used to go lean against an old tree or sit next to a waterfall or something like that to rejuvenate, to get healing.

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In Reiki, the Reiki person becomes that natural phenomenon to transfer the cosmic energy.

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And that cannot be by definition any different whether you do it or I do it or anybody else on earth does it.

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The race, the age, the gender, the whatever, it doesn’t make any difference.

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No matter where you learned it, if you’ve learned it properly, okay, then it’s always the same.

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For me, it’s like that. So I have great respect … for Reiki.

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Not for one special kind of … type of Rei … For me there is no ‚type‘ of Reiki.

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Reiki is Reiki is Reiki.

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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli