Without Takata, No Reiki Today

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‚Without Takata, No Reiki Today‘

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‚None of us would be in this room without Hawayo Takata’s work.‘

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You know this photography? You probably do.

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This is Hawayo Takata at the Usui family graveyard on Mount Hiei.

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There is no such thing.

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Frans Stine suggests that the remains of Mikao Usui – this goes back to a blog he wrote four years ago –

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or parts of the remains of Mikao Usui are buried here.

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And that memorial stone in Tokyo really is the Gakkai’s …

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not grave obviously, but it’s the Gakkai’s presence honouring Mikao Usui.

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But he or part thereof is actually buried in where this picture was taken of Hawaii Takata in 1937 or ’38.

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There is no such thing.

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And for sure, Usui sensei wouldn’t be buried in Mount Hiei.

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Because …

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And the family graves of the Usuis are not on Mount Hiei. I know that because I’ve been to the family graves.

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Is this not the Usui …

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This is the Usui …

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This is the Usui … not Logo.

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… family heraldry.

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That’s it.

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Yeah, that’s it.

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I am not sure what Saihoji looked back then.

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Yeah, so that could be here.

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And actually theoretically on the right could be the memorial stone.

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It’s not entirely conclusive.

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And this looks very much like what it looks like and the flagstones and so.

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What we could do is we could try to compare the grave marker with the photographs that I have taken.

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So I don’t know, but let me tell you something.

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Please, tell me.

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So, Usui sensei’s family is Pure Land Buddhist.

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We know that because they built the Pure Land Buddhist temple in Taniai in their village. The family built it with their money.

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So they are very involved and all of their relatives are buried there.

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And you cannot be buried …

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Mount Hiei is Tendai Buddhist.

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You cannot be buried at a Tendai Buddhist cemetery if you’re from another religion.

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It’s not possible. It’s the same like I cannot be buried – I’m by birth Protestant – I cannot be buried at the Catholic cemetery.

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Not possible. It’s not possible. Cannot be.

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What is true, of course, that with famous people sometimes they have two places –

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one for the family, one for the public.

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And they may have separated the ashes, for example.

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To put some part there and some part there.

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There is the possibility, but to tell you the way that it is done … maybe it’s interesting.

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We probably think that when the ashes of somebody are interred, that they might be interred in an urn, in a container.

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Not really.

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What happens is the top part of the stone is taken off and the ashes are put there

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and the weather washes them out.

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So if you were to take that memorial marker off now, there would be nothing there.

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It’s not like an Indian Samadhi where they put the ashes into an urn and they are buried somewhere

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and it would be always there radiating and do-do-do.

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Part of Buddhism is that nothing is permanent and nature will take care of it and it’s gone.

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But for sure he is not buried at Mount Hiei. That is certain.

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Again, the detail of it is not particularly exciting to me personally. What’s more exciting is, number one,

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Hawayo Takata has obviously been knowing a lot about the background.

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She’s been seriously visiting the graveyards and you know that and the track records you have.

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Number two, exactly the track records, the records you have, as I said the day before yesterday, I hope that scholars

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are actually collaborating with each other for the better good of all of us.

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And thirdly … And I mentioned earlier that you and I met at the conference in Portugal and I let you in on a little secret.

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I knew that you were coming at the very last moment and I had prepared – that was just shortly after my brain haemorrhage.

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I remember.

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I had prepared and I was very focused on the subject of my presentation. That was Hawayo Takata.

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I was going up front and I was a little nervous because you were sitting there.

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And I had prepared a sentence which was more or less what you said earlier in our interview and the sentence was,

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‚None of us would be in this room without Hawayo Takata’s work.‘

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And I was a little nervous. I even contemplated whether I would cross it out because you were sitting there. I didn’t want to offend you

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because you learned also through Takata of course, but your second learning so to speak was more directly from Hayashi.

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The reason why I’m saying that this was – I left the sentence in – and as I presented it,

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I was actually looking ahead and the authors of ‚Women in Reiki‘ were, both of them, were sitting there.

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Both ladies were there.

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You were sitting on my far right. But out of the corner of my eye and in front of me, I saw you all nod.

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Yeah, because it’s the truth.

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We don’t have a problem with the truth. People always … often think because of my work,

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I have some personal dislike or agenda with Takata sensei. Not at all.

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I …

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know she had a job to do and she did that job.

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And without her, like we said, we wouldn’t be here. So, so far so good, wonderful.

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But I also know that she adjusted some things in the teaching and in the history. And I have a problem with that.

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I don’t have a problem with her. For God’s sake, I never met her. How can I have a problem with her?

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And if I had had a problem with her, we could have talked about it maybe.

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So I don’t have a problem with anybody really.

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So what my intention is, I think that the more we know about Usui sensei, Hayashi sensei, about Reiki, the origins of Reiki,

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the better we can understand the practice and the more we can learn how to become ourselves and to become good human beings.

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This is my point of view.

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It’s not about money, fame, ego, anything.

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This is about enlightenment.

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This is about your self-realization.

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This is Usui sensei’s gift to us.

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And I think the more we know and the deeper we can look at that and the more we can see of that,

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the better chance we have to see ourselves, to look at ourselves. That is my point.

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I don’t have an issue with Takata sensei or anyone for that matter.

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Reiki is … I can only quote Koyama sensei again, ’satori no michi‘, the road of enlightenment.

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That’s the point.

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Everything else is insubstantial.

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And all the little ego quarrels here and there.

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Okay, they are just part of the game. Without it, maybe it would be boring.

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A few ripples on the ocean.

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We need them.

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In a relationship, you know it, I know it, in the marriage, there’s always some kind of conflict.

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Imagine that wouldn’t be there.

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He would fall asleep.

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Peacefully.

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No, he would fall asleep really anyway.

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I would be so bored if there was no movement.

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I would be so bored.

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So we need the movement also in Reiki and we need the conflict.

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There is nothing wrong with conflict.

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Conflict is part of human life. We need that.

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We need the two egos scratching, polishing each other.

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So they become like two raw diamonds polishing each other.

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So they become more luminant, more shiny, more beautiful.

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That’s the point.

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Because the ego is being scratched off.

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So look at it like that and we are all okay.

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Translation: AI
Transcript: René Vögtli